A Blog and Forum by Nigel Hollis


Yesterday I listened in on the meeting of the ARF’s Engagement Council. A faulty microphone made the first speakers impossible to hear, so I missed the introduction and initial discussion about the definition of engagement (a topic Gordon Pincott will address in an upcoming Point of View). However, the subsequent presentations, which I did hear, proved interesting.

A theme that ran through the first two presentations was that time spent with advertising or content indicated the degree of engagement. The first presentation, by John Kenny, SVP of planning at DraftFCB Chicago, presented the launch of Alli, the first FDA-approved over-the-counter weight loss medication. Alli is unique in that users must follow a strict low-fat diet regime if they are to avoid some nasty side effects. Therefore the launch campaign needed to do more than just raise awareness of the brand; it needed to ensure that potential users who were willing to make the necessary changes would identify themselves correctly.

While the launch was supported by traditional media like TV, the Web site was the key educational device. However, John also highlighted some far more innovative approaches to creating the engagement necessary for people to really appreciate what was required to benefit from the brand. These included a variety of in-store fixtures (which actually failed to adequately engage people due to the grocery shopping environment), a pop-up store, which engaged people for far longer, and a book, titled “Are You Losing It? Losing Weight Without Losing Your Mind,” which was sold through Target, Wal-Mart, Kroger and CVS. John estimated that the book reached 30 million people, 6 million of whom browsed the book for an average of 12 seconds. The book sold 300,000 copies, which is a lot by any standard.

The theme of time spent with content continued into the next presentation by Josh Chasin of comScore. I have to admit that this presentation was less engaging than the others. Essentially Josh had used comScore data to create a measure of site “stickiness” based on a framework created by Eric Peterson. After seeing a couple of data tables, which demonstrated that sites people needed to use, such as Bank of America, Weather.com and Google, tended to rank higher than others, I left to make a cup of tea.

The last presentation by Joel Weinberger of Thinkscan covered ground that was very interesting but familiar. Thinkscan uses a couple of different approaches to identify people’s first, primary response to any message and understand the associations triggered by those messages. They offer a way to disentangle the influence of that “first, good feeling” (click here to read post) from subsequent rationalization. Millward Brown is working with Thinkscan; one interesting project involved the assessment of the Skoda ad reviewed in this post. The measurement of implicit meaning is a very interesting topic and to do it justice I will return to it in a separate post.

To conclude this post, here are some thoughts raised by the first two presentations.

First, John Kenny suggested that the Alli campaign could not be judged on the basis of sales because not everyone should be using the drug. The end-goal was to ensure that good candidates would correctly self-identify. Don’t you think the manufacturer would have a rather different opinion? While the drug might not be right for everyone, I imagine the company would still like to reach as many qualified users as possible.

Second, the Alli case study reminded me that no matter how engaging a pop-up store might be, it is tough to reach a lot of people with them. John said there had been 10,000 visitors to the Alli store in New York, and cited figures of 10,000 and 6,500 respectively for the Meow Mix and Altoids stores, also set up in New York. I have no idea of the cost, but it makes me wonder whether this approach is really scalable (and how many of the visitors were foreign tourists).

Last but not least, both John and Josh focused on how much time people spent with the content, either that of the brand or the site. Time spent might be a partial surrogate for engagement but it is not a direct measure of it. In the case of Alli, understanding and self-identification as a good or poor candidate for the drug would seem a far better measure of whether someone had engaged with the campaign or not. In the case of engagement with a site, we need more than just behavioral metrics. We need to know why someone was visiting the site. If the financial sites were anything like the one I use on a regular basis, engagement was forced upon many visitors and created a negative experience. Don’t we need to take that negative valence into account when measuring engagement?

And this brings me to one final thought related to a comment made by someone in the room at the ARF. (I did not catch his name). If I remember correctly, he commented that much of the focus on engagement had centered on media, not advertising creative. Then he said, “Not much work has been done on engagement of creative.” I was so taken aback by this comment that I spilt my tea. It just proves that what I take for granted is just not recognized by many. I guess the past twenty years of discovering what predicts real-life copy engagement have been wasted. If you want to know what it is that makes a piece of creative engaging, try reading this post for a start.

I would love to know what other people think about engagement. What defines it? Is time spent with the content a good surrogate or not? And have I missed something? Do we not know what drives engagement with creative content? Let me know, and thanks.

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5 Responses to “Engaged by engagement (again)”

  1. Chris Myers Says:

    Hi Nigel
    On the comment from the audience, clearly he’s way of the mark but I can see where this kind of comment comes from. Basically, fashion.

    To be honest, even as a media planner I’m sometimes bemused by the tunnel-vision with which the marketing community views media.

    Communication planning is a case in point. Don’t get me wrong - all evidence shows that placing a message where it is most relevant to the consumer is a desirable. However, if the creative is good it can engage a consumer regardless of their mindset or where they saw it. Ideally of course you’d have an interaction. Bizarrely, the role of creative can sometimes be overlooked in the current climate - particularly when it comes to below the line.. So I’d think this comment comes from the frustration with the current trend (to some extent justified). May I also venture it comes from a creative agency….

  2. Nigel Hollis Says:

    Hi Chris, thanks for the comment.

    I think the real challenge here is the creative and context do interact but that is a relatively small influence on the overall effect. Based on our tracking and sales modeling work creative does have the overriding effect. But compounding the problem is that the interaction between creative and context can be positive or negative.

    It’s an old example now but I remember an analysis of online ad effectiveness which proved that banners had the most effect when people were NOT engaged by the content. If the content was of interest they focused on that and ignored the banners.

    Different media will have different interactions under different contexts.

     

  3. Gordon Says:

    Hi Nigel
    It has to be true that if I can get my target audience to agree to spend time with my brand and interact with it, that has to be a good thing - assuming that the experience is positive. So it seems reasonable that marketeers look for ways to do this.  But there are 2 issues to consider alongside this.  First, as you suggest, the number of people who will want to spend time with many brands will be a tiny tiny minorty of their audience and our old friend “Reach” needs to be brought into the equation.  If you are Alli then more of your target may want to spend time with you which makes it reasonable to devote a slug of your money and energy to doing that.  If you are a soft drink, margarine, bread or  insurance company then you might want to devote alot more of your resources to working out how you build your brand on the basis of much more fleeting contact with your prospective buyers.  Second  (and the good news) is that wonderfully strong brands have been built on these fleeting contacts. So you should not feel too hard done by if you are one of the many brands in many categories who will find it tough get your prospects and customers to hang out with you.  Finally we should never forget that the most valuable time that consumers spend with a brand is when they are using or consuming it.  If you can make that a fabulous and rewarding experience then you really will be building brand engagement. 

  4. AJ Says:

    I think Alli is an interesting example - nicotice replacement has a similar issue.  I agree with Gordon - sure, getting anyone to pick it up is a sale, but there is far more benefit to be had from getting people to actually comply with the regime as intended.  As such, I don’t think the manufacturer would have too much issue with a focus on attracting and engaging those consumers who are most likely to comply.  I suspect what John Kenny was suggesting was that the initial burst of sales at launch should not be the metric against which the campaign was evaluated.  Engaging the right people for the long-term - those people who are likely to have a meaningful, on-going and mutually beneficial brand relationship - has to be preferable in these cases.
    Further, ensuring compliance with the regime is far more likely to lead to these types of brands delivering what they have promised to do - weight loss, smoking cessation etc.  This can only have a positive knock on effect in terms of advocacy and word of mouth - whereas thousands of non-compliers who have not lost any weight/are still smoking will tell their own story in categories where there  are already a lot of sceptics.

  5. Nigel Hollis Says:

    Fair comment AJ, I was not suggesting that the manufacturer would be interested in sales for the sake of making a sale. As you state there are clear reasons why it makes sense to reach people who are likely to comply. But why would you not want to reach as many qualified people as quickly as possible?

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